police break up a legal rave in SLC, Utah
[q]Neophyte, 22.8.2005 14:34:
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Sixtus, 22.8.2005 14:18:
Montako esim. raiskausta sinä olet nähnyt bileissä? Tai mutkaa? Perusmeininkii..
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Puhutaanko nyt Suomesta vai jenkeistä? Siel o
kuitenkin snadisti eri meininki kun täällä.
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Tuksin pahasti eroo.
[q]GateWay, 22.8.2005 12:37:
Kun ihmiset nyt vaan älyäis lopettaa noiden aineiden kanssa pelleilyt niin bileethän sais jatkua.
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Ja vitun marjat sais. Kuinka naivi pitää ihmisen olla?
[q]leenuliinu, 22.8.2005 15:08:
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GateWay, 22.8.2005 12:37:
Kun ihmiset nyt vaan älyäis lopettaa noiden aineiden kanssa pelleilyt niin bileethän sais jatkua.
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Ja vitun marjat sais. Kuinka naivi pitää ihmisen olla?
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Kyllä bileitä kohtaan olis asenteet hieman erilaiset, jos kyseistä leimaa ei olisi koskaan tullut.
[q]Neophyte,
Puhutaanko nyt Suomesta vai jenkeistä? Siel o
kuitenkin snadisti eri meininki kun täällä.
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No en mä nyt usko et jenkeissäkään ihan joka bileissä sattuu raiskauksia, ampuma-ase rikoksia jne.
[q]leenuliinu, 22.8.2005 15:08:
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GateWay, 22.8.2005 12:37:
Kun ihmiset nyt vaan älyäis lopettaa noiden aineiden kanssa pelleilyt niin bileethän sais jatkua.
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Ja vitun marjat sais. Kuinka naivi pitää ihmisen olla?
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Odottelinkin milloin joku tähän tarttuu. Bileiden lopettaminenhan tietenkin johtui ko. musiikin ärsyttävyydestä :) asiassa on varmasti monta puolta ja tästä on turha tosiaan jauhaa enempää.
[q]kuilu ja ponivarkaat, 22.8.2005 12:40:
Älkää vaa äänestäkö seuraavissakaan vaaleissa!
- silmätkiihymiösuuauki -
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Mä aattelin äänestä protestiäänenä jotain hulluu oikeistosekopäätä joka haluu pistää kaikille valmiiks käsiraudat!
Vittu et ois hienoa!
[q]kuilu ja ponivarkaat, 22.8.2005 15:57:
joo, analta hyvä pointti! älkää ny sit kans äänestäkö niinku olisitte raveissa, siit ei saa lisäbojoi jos äänestää sitä kuka "voittaa". eli äänestäkää jotai muuta ku sitä yhtä puoluetta (joka siis jakaantuu kokommukseen, kepuun ja demareihin)!
Mieluummin vaik sit tollasii sekopäit, niinku mediän kansanpoliisi Ana-polis.
- hyvähymiöana -
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Joo. ehdottomasti. Tony Halme presidentiksi! Nyt kun sillä on reikä kallossa ni demonien supatus kuuluu lujempaa päähän.
Verorahat käytettäköön homojen ja neekereiden kiusaamisen, sekä uskonnontuntien viisinkertaistamiseen.
Niinjoo, ja muistakaa, huumeiden käytöllä bileissä ja viranomaisten kiinnostuksella bileitä kohtaan ei ole mitään todistettavaa korrelaatiota, kaiken muun ajatteleminen on supernaiivia.
[q]GateWay, 22.8.2005 12:37:
Uutisjutun mukaan luvat oli vain max. 250 ihmisen bileille ja ennakkoja oli myyty 700 ja odotettu ihmismäärä muutama tuhat. Joku juttu ei nyt täsmää?
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Ei, vaan pointti oli että Utahissa (tai USA:ssa) pitää olla lupa, jos aikoo järjestää YLI 250 hengen tapahtuman...promoottorin mukaan heillä oli lupa, mutta kytät olivat vieneet sen.Luvat oli kuulemma maksettu luottokortilla, joten todisteita kai löytyy....totta tai ei, sen varmaan kuulee tulevaisuudessa...
eikä kukaan varmaankaan järjestäisi yleistä 3000 hengen tapahtumaa ilman lupia. mestoilla oli kuitenkin kaikki järjestelyt hoidettu niinkuin pitääkin: vessat, roskikset, parkkipaikkajärjestelyt, järjestysmiehet etc etc
Ja jos sitä lupaa ei poliisin mukaan kerran ollut, niin minkätakia niitä bileitä ei sitten lopetettu jo ennenkuin ne alkoivat?
"The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the fuck out of here right now." "
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Turha vetää johtopäätöksiä mistään ennenkuin tiedetään kuka on oikeassa, toki tuo voimankäyttö tuntui ylilyövältä videon perusteella.
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ylilyövä on aika lattee sana jos lukee näitä kommentteja tapahtumassa olleilta, mun mielestä ei o yhtään turha vetää ihan hyviikin johtopäätöksii näistä teksteistä:
"Women beaten with rifles, tazed and abused. party goers are arrested- or sent on our state's most dangerous freeway. People robbed, having their tents and vehicles unlawfully raided by big men with big guns. They attacked from all sides, using a variety of personnel. Police helicopters, SWAT vans, and men in ARMY uniforms wielding submachine guns ransacked a 100% legal venue, arresting the owners without regard to the fact that all of the permits had been obtained, and that legally, law enforcement had no right to even BE THERE, let alone shut it down. "
"Another girl next to me said to one of the soldiers that she didn't know how to get home as they had just arrested her friend. The soldier told her to walk home. My friend tried to grab her to bring her with us, but the soldier began yelling that she had touched him (which she hadn't). WIthin seconds, five soldiers had jumped on her and were literally beating the crap out of this innocent women. She was punched in the face, thrown to the ground, and kicked while down. All for worrying how to get home safely."
"I have already taken pictures of my bruises as i was attacked by 3 men. I am a woman."
"A couple minutes later we see flashlights and all of a sudden have MP-5 sub-machineguns put in our faces."
"One was a guy who was walking around with a camcorder stunned at what was happening. A soldier told him to give him the camera now. The raver said no it is my camera. The soldier then proceeded to grab the camera, throw it to the ground and then began beating the kid. In the end they threw him to the ground violently an put their knee into his back while handcuffing him. All for wanting to keep his property. When I last saw him he was knocked out and unmoving. "
"The people who were gettin the shit kicked out of them did nothing wrong. A fuckin cop put a shotgun in my face and told me to get the fuck out or we'll get arrested. This all happend, I might add, when EVERYONE WAS LEAVING. "
"There are reports that 4 different females were sexually harassed by the police. One female was taken into a port-o-pottie while another officer waited outside with an assault rifle. There are handfulls of witnesses and the girls are coming forward. "
"No one resisted. That's for sure. They had police dogs raiding the crowd of people and I saw a dog signal out a guy who obviously had some drugs on him. The soldiers attacked the guy (4 of them on 1), and kicked him a few times in the ribs and had their knees in his back and sides. As they were cuffing him, there was about 1000 kids trying to leave in the backdrop, peacefully. Next thing I know, A can of fucking TEAR GAS is launched into the crowd. People are running and screaming at this point. Girls are crying, guys are cussing."
"I saw at least two people being beaten on the ground while barking, snarling dogs are held just a few feet from them. Weapons were being pointed at unarmed, peaceful civilians. A friend of mine was forced at gunpoint to put his hands on his head and turn around, because he asked if he could get his things from the tent. Tents were ripped open indiscriminately, and all belongings and bags were recklessly searched."
"Suddenly I saw the sight that disgusted me. A person whom I had met before was on the ground face first, 4 Reservists had their guns pointed to his head, and were handcuffing him. Their attack dog was mauling his: Shoulder, Neck and Torso areas. I was quickly shuffled along but was very disgusted. I also was witness to the blunt beatings using shoulder rests of weapons. My friend Katie Mercer was hit in the side of the head with an MP5 because a soldier took her camera, and she was trying to recover it from him. "
"I said what whats going on, at which point i was brutally attacked. Thrown to the ground and in the scuffle punched in the face by swat. That was not it either. I suppose i posed some a threat as another swat member rushed over to subdue me to the ground puting his knee in my back and arresting me. At that point I am screaming to a patron "whats going on?" He is just as confused as I am. At that point another swat member came over and kicked me in the leg. Let me tell you that I also only weigh 130 pounds. I had three grown men attack and beat me and throw me to ground for absolutely no reason at all. Not to mention being dragged to a van and violently being tossed in and taken to jail. Fined for resisting arrest and another outrageous charge. I do need to mention also that while this is all happening to me at the same time my two friends, a boy and girl were trying to reach out and stop them, at that point they were attacked and arrested as well."
"They wanted to bust, hurt, and arrest us. It was unethical, cruel and malicious what they did. They didn't treat us like human beings. They had no compassion or empathy for anyone. They broke up our peaceful, non-violent, party with guns, tear gas, and whole lot of violence.
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sitten uutisoidaan utahin tv:ssä näin:
kutv.com/video
"3000 people EVEN bought tickets to the drug party"..."the promoters even had security to make sure no-one took in THEIR OWN drugs".....
jep.
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Jonain päivänä vielä Suomessakin.
Ja silloin kaikki selittelee, että "poliisit vain tekevät työtään, ja mitäs menitte sinne ja mitäs näytätte epäilyttävältä ja mitäs vastustelitte ja..."
[q]ezzy, 22.8.2005 15:10:
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leenuliinu, 22.8.2005 15:08:
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GateWay, 22.8.2005 12:37:
Kun ihmiset nyt vaan älyäis lopettaa noiden aineiden kanssa pelleilyt niin bileethän sais jatkua.
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Ja vitun marjat sais. Kuinka naivi pitää ihmisen olla?
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Kyllä bileitä kohtaan olis asenteet hieman erilaiset, jos kyseistä leimaa ei olisi koskaan tullut.
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Juu. Kyllä olisi myös koko tanssimusiikkikulttuurikin hieman erilaista, jos kyseisen leiman aiheuttaneet substanssit eivät olisi näytelleet osaansa sen muodostumisessa. Tähänpä on vain jälkikäteen (ehkä jopa onneksi) kovin vaikea vaikuttaa. Pointtini olikin, että mikäli ihmiset "älyäis" nyt lopettaa nuo "pelleilyt" seinään, vaikuttaisi tämä ihmisten asenteisiin taatusti hyvin vähän.
http://tinyurl.com/a2gew
tuossa deleten postaama urli stealthille, josta kanssa löytyy matskua aiheesta.
edit: urli korjattu, ettei leiska levähdä
[q]leenuliinu, 22.8.2005 16:29:
Juu. Kyllä olisi myös koko tanssimusiikkikulttuurikin hieman erilaista, jos kyseisen leiman aiheuttaneet substanssit eivät olisi näytelleet osaansa sen muodostumisessa. Tähänpä on vain jälkikäteen (ehkä jopa onneksi) kovin vaikea vaikuttaa. Pointtini olikin, että mikäli ihmiset "älyäis" nyt lopettaa nuo "pelleilyt" seinään, vaikuttaisi tämä ihmisten asenteisiin taatusti hyvin vähän.
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Tokihan ratsioiden ja muiden "keskeytysten" määrä putoisi aika jyrkästi, kun virkavalta huomaisi, että reiveissä ei käytetä enää laittomia aineita. Eiköhän siitä lähtisi julkisuuskuvakin (erittäin) hiljalleen palautumaan. Todella naiviahan näin on ajatella...point taken.
Ja tosiaan, kulttuuri olisi varsin erilainen, jos päihteitä ei olisi koskaan ollut olemassa. Oma naivi näkökantani tähänkin on vain harmittelu sille, että päihteet näyttelevät musiikissa niin suurta osaa.
Tässähän alkaa pikkuhiljaa nousemaan mieleen pelonsekainen ennakkoaavistus siitä, että vielä jonain päivänä suomen virkavallan pitää osoittaa toimintakykynsä suuren maailman malliin, ja missäpä muualla kuin niissä saatanallisissa raveissa.
Toivottavasti ei ihan tuohon tarvitse mennä. 
[q]kuilu ja ponivarkaat, 22.8.2005 16:17:
Niinjoo, ja muistakaa, huumeiden käytöllä bileissä ja viranomaisten kiinnostuksella bileitä kohtaan ei ole mitään todistettavaa korrelaatiota, kaiken muun ajatteleminen on supernaiivia." Mä en tajua?
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Ei tos ny ollu mitään tajuttavaa.
Sillee, douppi kiinnostaa poliisia + douppi kiinnostaa skidejä = bileet kiinnostaa poliiseja, ja skidejä. Sit tässä cläshätään tälleen aina sillon tällön, ja jokasella on ratkasu taskussa valmiina. Mut ei niistä mitään tule. Maailma menee menojaan, ja nuoriso + poliisi tulee varmaan olemaan ikuinen kissakoirapariskunta. Nyt se on tekno ja huumeet, ennen se oli jotain muuta, tulevaisuudessa taas ehkä jotain muuta.
Tuskin kukaan täällä kuitenkaan aidosti pelkää, että suomalaisesta yhteiskunnasta tulee niin fasistinen, ettei ravintolassa saa enää levyiltä soittaa musiikkia?
edit: Siis, vitunperseestä että tällasta tapahtuu, mut jenkkimittakaavassa tää on ihan vitun tikkarinviemistä. Mites Guantanamo? Jos tästä nousee oikeesti haloo siellä päin, niin jo on kumma. Kuitenkin Patriot Actit sun muut vedetään läpi ja jatkuvasti lisätään turvallisuutta vapauden kustannuksella. Ei se et skidit ei pääse kuosailee bileisiin must oo tossa mittakaavassa millä siellä ihmisiä lyödään enää mitään.
http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_233220802.html
Huhhuh katsokaapa puolueetonta uutisointia tosta videon alkupäästä...
"Poket esti jengiä tuomasta omia huumeitaan huumebileisiin"
Ja vähän Utahin virallista kantaa raveista:
http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs3/3619/odd.htm
Hitsi miksei meil oo Suomessa tollaisia orgioita... 
Bileiden juliste:
http://joannaborovska.brinkster.net/VERSUSB.jpg
Hitto missä tos on maininta siitä seksiorgiahuoneesta tai nipsun sisältävästä $200 sisäänpääsystä...
[q]Steven Hoaks, 22.8.2005 12:34:
Älkää syyttäkö poliiseja vaan ihmisiä jotka myy tuolla huumeita. Sen takiahan ne meni tonne. Ja ainakin ton lehti artikkelin mukaan löyty mukavasti kaikennäköistä pilleriä ja jauheita Onhan toi tietysti vittumaista mutta niistähän ne ratsaukset johtuu.
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Ratsaukset perustellaan sillä mutta eivät ne siitä johdu, vaan konservatiivisista asenteista. Suomessakin Pori Jazzeilla tehtiin jonain vuonna monta kertaa enemmän huumetakavarikkoja kuin Koneistossa, mutta kumpi festivaali päätyikään lehtien kansiin huumeiden takia?
En ymmärrä miten voisin syyttää jotain pillerikauppiasta siitä, että poliisi hyökkää rynnäkkökiväärit kädessä täysin laillisesti iltaa viettävien nuorten kimppuun. Toki jos _kukaan_ ei ikinä käyttäisi mitään konemusiikkibileissä, ratsailu loppuisi aikanaan, mutta kuinka realistista tällaista on vaatia, kun muidenkin musiikkityylien tapahtumissa (ja ihan missä vaan) päihdytään myös laittomasti.
Utahissa ollaan näemmä aika hyvin perillä kaikesta..
http://www.usdoj.gov/ndic/pubs3/3619/odd.htm
Raves
Throughout the 1990s high energy, all-night dances known as raves, which feature techno-music and flashing laser lights, increased in popularity among teens and young adults. Raves occur in either permanent dance clubs or temporary "weekend event" sites set up in abandoned warehouses, open fields, empty buildings, or civic centers.
Utah has a unique rave culture with anomalies that are specific to the state. Utah law enforcement intelligence indicates that individuals are using limousines or other rental vehicles to travel to raves because of increased vehicle traffic and overcrowded parking. Another emerging trend in Utah is the use of club drugs--synthetic drugs such as MDMA, LSD, and GHB--at adult, rave-like events called trancemission parties. These parties are held in private residences, and cover charges, which include the first MDMA tablet, can exceed $200 per attendee. The parties are theme-oriented and normally involve sexual activity. Hosts recruit teenage girls and young adults from dance clubs and other social gatherings. Trancemission parties often feature "sex rooms" equipped with video cameras to record the sexual exploits of the hosts and partygoers.
Source: Utah Substance Abuse and Anti-Violence Coordinating Council; Utah Club Drug Summit; Salt Lake County Sheriff's Office.
Dosing
During raves in the Rocky Mountain region, if ravers suspect that an individual is an undercover law enforcement officer, they may "dose" that individual--approach from behind and spray the person with water containing liquid drugs, primarily LSD, that are easily absorbed through the skin. Ravers will occasionally dose themselves and each other at the end of a rave as an ovation to the departing disc jockey. Retail distributors of LSD also use an eyedropper to place the drug directly on the tongue of the purchaser in the region.
Source: Colorado Regional Club Drug Seminar 2001.
[q]enrg, 22.8.2005 17:57:
if ravers suspect that an individual is an undercover law enforcement officer, they may "dose" that individual--approach from behind and spray the person with water containing liquid drugs, primarily LSD, that are easily absorbed through the skin.
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:DD
näin jenkeissä... ihan sairasta touhua
Lainaus täältä: http://utrave.org/showthread.php?t=20020&page=2&pp=10
[q]Last night, I was booked to play an event about an hour outside of Salt Lake City, Utah. The hype behind this show was huge, they presold 700 tickets and they expected up to 3,000 people total. The promoters did an amazing job with the show.. they even made slipmats with the flyers on them to promote in local shops.
So, we got to the show around 11:15 or so and it was really cool. It was all outdoors, in a valley surrounded by huge mountains. They had an amazing light show flashing on to a mountain behind the site, the sound was booming, the crowd was about 1500 people thick and everything just seemed too good to be true really. Well...
At about 11:30 or so, I was standing behind the stage talking with someone when I noticed a helicopter pulling over one of the mountain tops. I jokingly said "Oh look, here comes big brother" to the person I was with. I wasn't far off.
The helicopter dipped lower and lower and started shining its lights on the crowd. I was kind of in awe and just sat and watched this thing circle us for a minute. As I looked back towards the crowd I saw a guy dressed in camoflauge walking by, toting an assault rifle. At this point, everyone was fully aware of what was going on . A few "troops" rushed the stage and cut the sound off and started yelling that everyone "get the fuck out of here or go to jail". This is where it got really sticky.
No one resisted. That's for sure. They had police dogs raiding the crowd of people and I saw a dog signal out a guy who obviously had some drugs on him. The soldiers attacked the guy (4 of them on 1), and kicked him a few times in the ribs and had their knees in his back and sides. As they were cuffing him, there was about 1000 kids trying to leave in the backdrop, peacefully. Next thing I know, A can of fucking TEAR GAS is launched into the crowd. People are running and screaming at this point. Girls are crying, guys are cussing... bad scene.
Now, this is all I saw with my own eyes, but I heard plenty of other accounts of the night. Now this isnt gossip I heard from some candy raver, these are instances cited straight out of the promoters mouth..
- One of the promoters friends (a very small female) was attacked by one of the police dogs. As she struggled to get away from it, the police tackled her. 3 grown men proceeded to KICK HER IN THE STOMACH.
- The police confiscated 3 video tapes in total. People were trying to document what was happening out there. The police saw one guy filming and ran after him, tackled him and his camera fell, and luckily.. his friend grabbed it and ran and got away. priceless footage. That's not all though. Out of 1,500 people, there's sure to be more footage.
- The police were rounding up the staff of the party and the main promoter went up to them with the permit for the show and said "here, I have the permit." The police then said, "no you don't" and ripped the permit out of his hand. Then, they put an assault rifle to his forehead and said "get the fuck out of here right now."
Now.. let's get the facts straight here.
This event was 100% legal. They had every permit the city told them they needed. They had a 2 MILLION DOLLAR insurance policy for the event. They had liscenced security guards at the gates confiscating any alcohol or drugs found upon entry (yes, they searched every car on the way in). Oh, I suppose I should mention that they arrested all the security guards for possession.
Oh another interesting fact.. the police did not have a warrant. The owner of the land already has a lawsuit against the city for something similar. A few months ago, she rented her land for a party and the police raided that as well. And catch this, the police forced her to LEAVE HER OWN PERSONAL PROPERTY. That's right. They didnt arrest her, but made her leave her own property!!!
Don't get it twisted, this is all going down in probably THE most conservative state in the USA. And this is scary.. a gross violation of our civil liberties. The police wanted this party shut down, so they made it happen. Even though everything about this event was legal. The promoters spent over $ 20,000 on this show and did everything they had to to make it legit, only to have it taken away from them by a group of radical neo-con's with an agenda.
This was one of the scariest things I have ever witnessed in person. I can't even begin to describe how surreal it was. Helicopters, assault rifles, tear gas, camoflauge-wearing soldiers.... why? Was that really necessary?
This needs to be big news across the USofA. At least in our music scene (edm as a whole)... this could happen to any of us at any time. When we're losing the right to gather peacefully, we're also letting the police set a standard of what we can get away with. And I think that's BULLSHIT!
The system fucked up last night... They broke up a party that was 100% legal and they physically hurt a lot of people there at the same time. The promoters already have 6 lawsuits ready to file with their lawyers and the ACLU is already involved.
I'm sure some pictures (and hopefully some video) will surface soon. I'll make sure to post them up here on 404, so you can see the Police State of America at work.
p.s. - there are more stories of police brutality that i'll post up later. gotta hit the airport soon. can't wait to get the fuck out of this shit hole state.[/q]
Edit: Video linkki -> http://homepage.mac.com/apexgrin/FileSharing2.html